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PostSubject: 15+/- models army   Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:49 pm

Otvoren novi topik na ono pitanje Razz
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:52 pm

da, Gay Knihtovi su gay...
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:56 pm

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da, Gay Knihtovi su gay...

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:43 pm

Uspio sam složit jednu od 13 modela pa si ti misli. Bez vozila! Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:54 pm

Well, moze dosta ekipe ugurat puno bodova u jedan squad. Meni je s Eldarima rekord 1086 bodova u jednom squadu od 12 modela, pa ti sad vidi. Orkovi brijem nisu daleko s nob squadom, kao ni onaj TH/SS death company Suspect

Istina, 13 modela cijela vojska na 1500 je omg... O_o
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:17 am

Moja planirana (malo izbalansirana) vojska od 1750 bodova ima 16 figura i 3 walkera. Isto bez vozila Smile

Ja nisam išao na sve najskuplje opcije, ali mogu zamislit šta je Fenris složio.
2 x 5 paladina i 3 baje (Lord, Libby i Techmarine). Samo taj izbor sa svim opcijama te baci preko 1750 bodova (a ne 1500) Very Happy


Edit: Malo sam se poigrao brojkama. Squad od 11 figura = 1160 bodova Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:05 am

Pa, za GK sam složio Kaldor Draiga, Lorda sa svom mogućom opremom, 2x5 paladina sa skupom opremom (2 su apotekari) i Vindicare Assassina. 13 modela, nema vozila (čak ni dreadnoughta), nema ni dreadknightova.


Pokušao sam slično i sa Space Wolfovima, završio sam s vojskom od točno 15 modela.
Izgleda otprilike ovako:
Logan Grimnar i 5 nabrijanih Wolf Guard terminatora u ispimpanom Crusaderu
Arjac Rockfist i 4 nabrijana Wolf Guard terminatora u drop podu sa deathwind launcherom
Bjorn the Fell-Handed sa TL Lascannonom
Ravno 1750 bodova What a Face




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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:23 pm

E daj recite, kako takva vojska uopce prezivi na stolu? Mislim, ja u 1000 bodova imam ~50-60 shotova po krugu, dio ignorira armor. Na 1750 je stanje jos puno gore sa preko 100 shusova po krugu. Da ne spominjem vozila sva...
A i inv sejvovi se padajau eventually...

Kak 15 on foot modela to prezivi?!?!
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:26 pm

On foot...nikako. Istina je da ovo nisu viable liste, više vježbe u tome koliko minimalno stane modela na 1750.

Ipak, ovo nisu obične pješačke liste. U GK listi sve deep strikea osim assassina, a u SW listi samo Bjorn hoda, dok se ostatak vozi ili deep strikea.

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:34 pm

Pa i sa deep strikeom? Dodje, ubije 2-3 squada i kaj onda!? O_O

Al dobra stvar u svemu je da mi lijeci kompleks malog broja modela s mojim mech eldarima. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:34 pm

Vec sam rekao svoje misljenje, liste od 13 modela nisu ni za pricat o njima. Sama pomisao je smijesna. nema nista ljepse nego istrest 40 str 2 ap 0 shootova u takve i onda gledat kako "elita" umire.

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:55 pm

E zasto tu nema like na tu recenicu!?! XD
Ali da, shooting i jednostavno forceanje broja kockica je totalni bane malog broja modela. Pfu, sad mi dodje da for old times sake slozim shooty vojsku eldara. :/
Znam da ce poginut svi i da bas ne bu dobro u misijama, ali trenutak kad objasnis da ovih 18 vozila koja si upravo stavio na stol ima 108 S6 shotova koji pogadjaju vec od prvog poteza, a da su jedva polovica vojske (900 bodova), e to je priceless. Smile)))
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:13 pm

Dino, varaš. Ubacio si vozila u SW listu Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:20 pm

Ma da te vojske od 15tak modela nisu vojske za 40k to je čisto izdrkavanje....onda bi rađe igrao warmašinu

DE lista od 17 modela
HQ: Asdrubael Vect + Dais
Trupe: kabaliti 5 x 2 + 2 rajdera
Heavy: 3 voidraven bombera sa svim upgradeovima



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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:21 pm

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Dino, varaš. Ubacio si vozila u SW listu Very Happy

a tvoja lista je nelegalna Twisted Evil nemožeš stavit paladine kao trupe bez onog Droge il kak se već zove
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:34 pm

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Pa i sa deep strikeom? Dodje, ubije 2-3 squada i kaj onda!? O_O

Da se vratimo malo na ovo. Ja teoretiziram da bi s njima idelno sletio, pobio sve scoring unite i onda ostat sjedit na objektivama do kraja koji bi valjda došao brzo.

P.S. ako mogu birat, uvijek ću radije da po meni pucaju eldari nego recimo taui ili necroni. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:57 pm

Hmm? Necroni? O_o
Bas i nisam nesto impresioniran njihovim firepowerom do sad... jedino teleport i WBB su se cinili kao jaka pravila. Koji dio o nekronima ne znam, sto je toliko scary?
Istina moja zadnja velika partija vs necroni je bila 4e codex, 4e pravila so... enlighten me. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:02 pm

Oh ma nisam ja to mislio po snazi firepowera. To je stvar stila, eldari su mi draži nego ovih dvoje skupa Smile


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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:10 pm

Aha, ok XD

Nego, back to topics, zna netko jos koju vojsku koja nagura ogromnu kolicinu bodova (prakticki sve) u minimalni broj modela? Po mogucnosti sve on foot? Smile
Cisto da vidim kad da se veselim u sebi kad slete velike mrcine na stol a na prste ih nabrojis. Very Happy


P.S. Sad zadnju partiju smo igrali carnage, i cijela partija sve ok, dok u turn 5 nije dosao Trygon (ako sam dobro zapamtio ime). E TA MRCINA JE OGROMNA!!!
Onak, moji tenkovi su huge, veci su od Land Raidera, ali da se stanu oko trygona, budu wreckani, i da na njihove olupine slete drugi tenkovi, i dalje ne bi trebali davat cover dalje od zidica pod nogama te mrcine!
Toliki je da sam ga ostatak partije cijelo vrijeme zamjenjivao za teren na stolu i morao se svaki potez podsjecat da ne, to nije brdo ili sekvoja, nego ogromni monstrum koji cim zavrsi trenutni CC ide dalje ubijat squad po potezu. O_o
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:19 pm

Vorheart ne brini se...imamo Tyranida u klubu i vidjeli smo kako izgleda kad stavi 3 trigona + 5 tervigona Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:20 pm

Ja još uvijek imam traume od toga Sad

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:48 am

Ignus wrote:
Kalde wrote:
Dino, varaš. Ubacio si vozila u SW listu Very Happy

a tvoja lista je nelegalna Twisted Evil nemožeš stavit paladine kao trupe bez onog Droge il kak se već zove

Zove se Lord Kaldor Draigo. Pa sam ja u post stavio samo kratko Lord, Libby i Techmarine Wink

Jer čak i DE igrači znaju da ne možeš koristit Paladine kao trupe bez njega Razz
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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:02 am

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Dino, varaš. Ubacio si vozila u SW listu Very Happy

a tvoja lista je nelegalna Twisted Evil nemožeš stavit paladine kao trupe bez onog Droge il kak se već zove

Zove se Lord Kaldor Draigo. Pa sam ja u post stavio samo kratko Lord, Libby i Techmarine Wink

Jer čak i DE igrači znaju da ne možeš koristit Paladine kao trupe bez njega Razz

Eh, kad ne kažeš po imenu nije očito. Lord može bit bilo kakav HQ. Pogotovo nama koji igramo Fantasy pa se cjela ta sekcija zove Lord Choice Razz

Edit: Postavio sam novi rekord, GK vojska sa 9 modela Shocked

Kaldor Draigo, Grand Master natrpan opremom, 2x2 paladina (po jedan apotekar u svakom squadu), 2 natrpana techmarinca, vindicare assassin.

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PostSubject: Re: 15+/- models army   Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:33 pm

Relevantan post sa SA foruma:

Kosmonaut wrote:
The real Achilles' heel of the Grey Knights is that their increased cost doesn't come with increased defense. In fact they're worse at defense than standard Space Marines due to an inability to take Storm Shields. Here is a partial list of things that poo poo all over them:

- Splinter spam (and isn't splinter fire always spammed?)
- Battle cannons and similar ordnance
- Horde assault units if their support can soften up the GK from range
- TH/SS terminators
- Other GK (like DE they are great at mowing their brothers down)

It's a solid codex but you can deal with it pretty much the same way you deal with other MEQ armies, there's just less of them.

(And they can hurt the poo poo out of you on their turn but hey that's why they cost so much)

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